Let us see what has emerged. [To Ortron] You say that the miners have rebelled against their proper rulers, but Gebek here says that the nobles have cheated them of their rights. You say that the Doctor here is a spy and a saboteur, but the ambassador says he is an old and valued friend. [To Gebek] You say that your God appears to you because he is angry, but the Doctor here is sure that the appearances are caused by trickery.